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  JWs have more good points than bad

  by lsw1961 in

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  2. beliefs

  1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

  2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

  this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

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  Half banana

  Well done Isw 1961 you have an independent mind! That is not the JW way but it will eventually allow you to realise that the WTBTS do not have a monopoly on truth...and if they don't, then they are not God's appointees.

  If you are genuine about finding what is real it would be worth reading Raymond Franz's authoritative appraisal of the workings of the Watchtower in his book Crisis of Conscience. This explains the fact that for the sake of keeping a large stake-hold in the religious scene in Mexico, the WTBTS was prepared to accept that bribing officials for exemption to military service would be in their interest. However in Malawi they declared that the compulsory purchasing of the national party card would automatically be a disassociation matter and the consequences for those who did not buy had severe repercussions. This was gross hypocrisy and use of "two sorts of weights".

  How can this be condoned?

  Have you heard of the matter of the Watchtower joining its avowed enemy the UN as an NGO? Another case of gross hypocrisy...and why they did it is even more telling.
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  JWs have more good points than bad

  by lsw1961 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  1) many who were on the destructive path have been transformed by their teachings (this includes me who was once vicious, and presumptuous and atheistic).

  2) equal monthly pay to all members of the bethel community regardless of whether they are bc members or sweepers.

  this is something that still remains as an unattainable dream for the world.

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  Half banana

  Welcome to the site Isw1961. Glad you are here and think it worthwhile to post your thoughts.

  Ex JWs do ”go on” a bit don’t they! Its because we are suffering from the disastrous effects of having been a Witness and we’re still receiving the fall-out...families broken and separated from us by the edict of the governing body.

  When we were JWs we never saw the bad things about the org because we were so much a part of it, like fish don’t see the water.

  As humans and therefore social beings... we look at the society we live in as a guide to what is normal. We were hermetically immersed in a community which we took to be not only admirable but God ordained. We have left that group and now we have our own conscience and will to guide us. It can be bewildering at the start... so we understand your situation.

  Not everything about JWs is bad you say and that must be true because JWs are generally decent people, the source of the problem lies is in the authoritarian leadership of the org. Once it has been accepted by an individual that they (GB) are gifted with God’s exclusive approval; then anything goes, they have holy privilege. Could this be true?

  You mention how good the day’s text is. Looking back I would now see it as part of a package for inducing total WTBTS mind control. You may think that is a bit extreme... but it won’t seem so, after you have been out for a while.

  Every last thing the Watchtower says and prints is propaganda. It is entirely designed for compliance to the organisation but for what purpose? It is for the securing of the power of its leadership. Take for example the complete lack of compassion and psychological welfare for the victims of child sexual abuse within the organisation. The cover up is in the interests of the leadership and their spotless standing in the world at the expense of the abused. It is an abusive religion.

  This organisation is a corrupt and heartless propaganda machine which stunts the intellectual and emotional development of its members and has never taught anything of any use...it has for one hundred and thirty six years been feeding off its supporters gullibility only to mislead them.

  Welcome to the real world.
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  JW Religion same as Stock Market/Gambling (Concept)

  by Da.Furious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  for the last few days i was discussing with a colleague of mine at work about the stock market and how some people, even when losing money, they will hold onto their shares because someone said they will rise again.

  this may lead to lost opportunities or even losing all their money instead of de-risking and offsetting loses by buying another stock, in other word jumping ship.. this got me thinking about jws (knowing that i am still in).

  took one step back and looked at our family and what we have done by sticking to this religion.

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  Half banana

  Perhaps the GB thought that God's name was riding on those shares...

  Of course the rank and file aren't allowed to gamble but the GB have a special license to do whatever they want.
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  One Year Later - A Thank You to Tony Morris.

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  dear anthony morris, iii:.

  i wanted to send you a note of "thanks" on this special day.. why is this day special, you may ask?

  one year ago today, you, tony, woke me up to the fact that the governing body could not have jehovah's blessing or direction.. last year, on november 8th & 9th, 2014, the united states branch visit was broadcast to over 1,000,000 jehovah's witnesses across the country.. as i sat at the kingdom hall listening to the "historic occasion," i was ignoring certain doubts that had surfaced in the few months prior.

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  Well done Cappytan and well done Tight Pants Tony, a win-win situation!
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  A paradox or a contradiction? Titus 1:12

  by James Mixon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  paul quoted a cretan who said, "cretans are always liars".. ok, if this was said by a cretan and cretans always lie, then he.

  too was lying, but if this cretan was lying when he said cretans always lie,.

  then cretans do not always lie and there is a lie in the scripture.

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  Half banana

  James, I know it isn't an answer to your question but this verse is ridiculous.

  Was it God's holy spirit which prompted the bigot Paul to repeat a popular contemporary saying which condemned a geographical group of people?

  Holy spirit my foot! The scripture shows how the Bible reflects purely human prejudices.
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  The Shit Has Just Started Hitting The Fan For The WT Corporation, Nightmare Stage!

  by Brokeback Watchtower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  as with any course which is based on pure wishful thinking(which is the wt corporation based on) has different stages.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wishful_thinking.

  some psychologists believe that positive thinking is able to positively influence behavior and so bring about better results.

  this is called "pygmalion effect".

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  Half banana

  I think it could be expected for the organisation to go pear-shaped.

  One significant factor must be the present GB are inheritors of a system and mindset which had been built on a timescale based on the 1914 generation. How can they be God's agents on Earth when they always get their predictions wrong? Even doomsday cults need some plausible evidence for their authority. The present incumbents cannot point to anything they have done which would demonstrate divine intervention.

  WT style religion is being replaced by a more modern approach which does not require an "organised" hierarchy. A private spirituality without a need for preaching satisfies many today.
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  Warwick to finish EARLY

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
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  ok, story time.. anon asks me via pm:.

  just heard from a wallkill bethelite that warwick will finish early.

  can you confirm?.

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  Half banana

  Warwick itself could then be sold in a few years time when thousands and thousands have left the organisation.........

  "Superb lake-side residential village, ideal retirement community location." They might even get back what they spent!

  One excuse will be that Jerhoover has gone electronic and very few buildings are now required when all is computerised or on TV. Who needs books and magazines?

  The other excuse will be that Armageddon is imminent...
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  5 Steps to be a good cop inside the congregation...

  by hardtobeme in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how many of you did this steps to keep the congo clean?.

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  I guess there is only one way to run a police state...
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  Invisible Rulership - one of the dumbest things I ever believed in

  by Black Man in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  having now been out of the cult for a few years, it really shocks me about some of the nonsense i used to believe in.

  like for instance, christ ruling in the midst of his enemies, but doing so invisibly.. let's let that one sink in for a minute.

  you've supposedly got a king who is ruling for a kingdom, but it is an invisible rule.

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  Half banana

  I agree with you BM, invisible spirits, invisible God and invisible events plus never arriving promises...all these and more guaranteed by the Watchtower organisation...what a joke, what a complete waste time and a devastating waste of countless millions of people's lives.
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  Cooperate Members of the Watchtower Society

  by James Jack in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  a older sister in miami florida has told me that the special pioneer couple who got their walking papers last week said they are also voting members of the watchtower society.

  also his stock share is valued at $800,000!.

  i did some research and spoke to some longtime witnesses and found out that there are 500 voting members of the society and they are also called shareholders.. has anyone ever of someone selling his share?.

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  Half banana

  I say this without evidence but perhaps back in the forties, Knorr and those closest to power devised a new company in which to put shares and made themselves shareholders.

  Like everyone else who has looked at it there are no clues to the financial backing or security of the org. Is it an agreement with a bank or a private consortium? Whatever it is the governance of the org whichever name it goes under, is hell bent on making and holding on to money...far more than a doomsday cult would ever need if there really were such a thing as Armageddon "practically on our doorstep".